tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4727301007280965202.post3542324555831674952..comments2024-02-25T08:15:34.559-05:00Comments on The Society of Torch, Pole and Rope: And you will know us by the dice in our hands…Michael Curtishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13217338828086458862noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4727301007280965202.post-33676289660750332132008-12-30T13:25:00.000-05:002008-12-30T13:25:00.000-05:00James,The word that sticks out the most to me in y...James,<BR/><BR/>The word that sticks out the most to me in your comment is "weariness". I think that sums up the reason why I keep mum about my paticipation in this hobby.<BR/><BR/>I'm not concerned so much about trying to appear "normal" in the eyes of others, especially people that I hardly know. Hell, I spent two years of my life fronting a hardcore band, where making a fool out of myself in public and sporting funny haircuts is par for the course. And while I may appear a bit more straight-laced nowadays, sometimes even appearing as a steretypical librarian, the thoughts and drives that propelled me in my younger days are still there. Age has taught me some wisdom, so I've become more careful in choosing my battles and deciding where I want to expend my energies pertaining to my beliefs. I've decided that I'd rather conserve my energy for battles more important than trying to sway someone's opinion in role-playing games, so I keep my mouth shut about them. This hobby is suposed to be my escape, not my battleground.<BR/><BR/>I was rather hoping that you'd chime in about this topic. Foregive me for forming an opinion of you based solely on your blog, but you strike me as someone who revels in confrontation. And I don't mean that as an insult. I'm glad that there are people out there such as yourself who have the personality and energy to keep brandishing their love for gaming in the faces of the masses. The hobby needs people like that, and I'm too tired and lack the incentive to do so myself. Keep doing what you're doing and I'll keep the fire going in my own way.Michael Curtishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13217338828086458862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4727301007280965202.post-33644147988883723792008-12-30T01:11:00.000-05:002008-12-30T01:11:00.000-05:00Sometime very early I realized I was just going to...Sometime very early I realized I was just going to be a social pariah, and that was before gaming even came along. Yeah... I was hopeless *before* age 9, so once I started gaming, the whole deal of being made to feel I was abnormal was just... normal.<BR/><BR/>Then I discovered death metal in 1992 (<I>after</I> high school, and just when metal as a whole was being removed from mainstream acceptability, natch) and I learned that my outcast state didn't just have to make me a "victim;" it could be used as a weapon as well.<BR/><BR/>Which didn't help me at all socially, but did improve my confidence, which eventually did help me socially. Funny how that worked. One too many experiences being with "polite company" made me realize that "fitting in" was a <I>horrible</I> idea; I was more comfortable on the outside.<BR/><BR/>So there I am, taking my metal zine to job interviews, explaining that work isn't so important in my life, that I'm going to show up and do my job because it pays the rent, while I get my personal fulfillment elsewhere. So here I am, bringing game books out on first dates because I'm testing their suitability instead of sitting back and waiting to be judged on whatever criteria this person has.<BR/><BR/>Yet I've never failed to get a job that I've interviewed for (getting an interview in the first place - that's the rough part). The first date I had when I spent a fair deal of time complaining about the Carcosa controversy? I live with that person now and she makes dice bags and silk binder covers for me now.<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure exactly why I'm sharing this (yeah, I'm awful at commiserating...), as I'm probably the last person someone should look at when they're looking for a role model... but at the same time when reading posts like this (and their responses) there is sadness and weariness in the stories you guys are telling.<BR/><BR/>It also gets me thinking about what life would have been like if I'd kept on the straight and narrow instead of heading off the rails right after graduating high school. Things could have been very different. Much easier, maybe.<BR/><BR/>Then I just turn my head to the left here, looking out the window on a bit of the Helsinki waterfront, realizing that every time I go outside I am amazed by the city that I live in. I think about the long string of decisions that somehow led to me being right here in this situation right now... and despite the hell I've had to live through at times because of those decisions, and realizing that nothing lasts forever anyway, I can't in any way call this a bad life. I wouldn't change a thing, because you never know what minute decision unknowingly sends your life off into an entirely different direction...JimLotFPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02992397707040836366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4727301007280965202.post-7038054408544401122008-12-29T20:29:00.000-05:002008-12-29T20:29:00.000-05:00Right there with you and the other commenters. I g...Right there with you and the other commenters. I got into gaming just as the Satanic Panic was dying down, so thankfully I never had to deal with teachers trying to burn my books or anything (although I had to promise my mom I wouldn't commit suicide if I got into D&D), and in fact it sort of fed into my adolescent rebelliousness in the same way that listening to GnR did...but when I found out later on that gaming was also a <I>social</I> liability ("You mean this is going to make it <I>harder</I> for me to get girls?"), that really chapped my hide and drove me underground.<BR/><BR/>Nowadays, I keep quiet as much out of just not wanting to deal with it all, as you said. What really gets my goat is when I catch flack from non-gamer geek friends, who seem to think that being into comics instead of RPGs gives them more geek cred or whatever. There's a chart on the Internet that illustrates the geek hierarchy perfectly.<BR/><BR/>I can take solace in the fact that, despite my quiet devotion to gaming, I've introduced, directly or indirectly, no less then a half dozen people to the hobby, the majority of whom still game today.David Larkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04133630988557116729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4727301007280965202.post-12153462718308056162008-12-29T16:44:00.000-05:002008-12-29T16:44:00.000-05:00You said it better than I ever could have, Mike. I...You said it better than I ever could have, Mike. I keep silent about my hobby for each and every one of the reasons you mentioned.<BR/><BR/>A perfect example occurred not too long ago when my boss, looking at my personal e-mail address, got curious about the domain name and went to check it out. (I was, at the time, publishing indy minis rules as Game Werks.) Instead of comments like "That's interesting" or "What's this all about?" I got "I didn't know you were into <I>that</I> sort of thing. Do you play Dungeons and Dragons <I>too</I>?" Said perfectly innocently on his part, mind you, but in that tone I know all too well; not said maliciously, but it left me uncomfortable nonetheless.<BR/><BR/>I was then put in the position we all loathe: trying to explain your hobby to someone who obviously doesn't get it, and has already shown a certain amount of disdain. (What gets me is this is a guy who loves old school sci-fi and is the Director of IT. He's a geek - but not a gamer. I see that stereotype everywhere, but in 15 years in the IT/Web field, I've only met one other gamer geek. Where are they all?!)<BR/><BR/>Anyway, kudos to you for hitting the nail on the head. Like you, I'll keep silently holding the flame, sharing knowing glances with those who wear the gamer badge and give the secret handshake. (Hey, cool - do we have one of those? If not, we should get one!)Christopher Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17368794259249607299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4727301007280965202.post-24203221453048556902008-12-29T16:19:00.000-05:002008-12-29T16:19:00.000-05:00Great post, Mike. You nailed it and I share the sa...Great post, Mike. You nailed it and I share the same sentiments. I had good reason to from the early days on, and the memories of hiding from the photo of the After-School D&D club for the yearbook will always be with me. I remember classmates dumbfounded when they learned I was a player..."YOU play D&D!?!" <BR/><BR/>I was always something of a social chameleon. I've never been one to trumpet my tastes and interests in public.<BR/><BR/>I resepct those that don't have similar hang-ups, and are loud and proud about their pastimes; but that's just not my style. Unfortunately it leads to me not having a larger circle of D&D friends. Thank you internet for my pixelated-pals!Sham aka Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14329116400656617173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4727301007280965202.post-53524598672271268502008-12-29T16:03:00.000-05:002008-12-29T16:03:00.000-05:00@Gamer Dude: It's for the defensive stance tha...@Gamer Dude: It's for the defensive stance that I generally keep quiet as well. I got very, very tired of trying to defend the game to other people a long time ago. Doing so takes away from my ability to embrace it as a recreational activity.<BR/><BR/>Like you, I don't really care that what people think about my choice of hobby, but I find people accept the fact that I like playing these games after they get a chance to know me personally first, then discover I'm a gamer rather than the other way around.<BR/><BR/>As for the MMORPG phenom, I agree. The internet and a much greater acceptance of video and computer gaming have given on-line rpgs a better rep than D&D managed to build in the pre-intertubes era. We can ride some of that goodwill, but we still seem like luddites because we prefer pen and paper and dice over graphic cards, Ventrilo, and monthly subscription fees.Michael Curtishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13217338828086458862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4727301007280965202.post-64771440265639084262008-12-29T15:57:00.000-05:002008-12-29T15:57:00.000-05:00@Chris: To you as well. As for "Ol' Nameless" bein...@Chris: To you as well. As for "Ol' Nameless" being the title for the dungeon, trust me. I've considered it. But then I remembered that the Forgotten Realms has a delve somewhere in the North called "The Nameless Dungeon." While I'm not above outright theft from inspirational sources, I think the FR is a bit too well known to escape with that bit of burglary unnoticed.Michael Curtishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13217338828086458862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4727301007280965202.post-45119488120542245572008-12-29T13:38:00.000-05:002008-12-29T13:38:00.000-05:00Hi Mike. Well put. I have, on occasion, let it sli...Hi Mike. Well put. I have, on occasion, let it slip to others that I "game". And more often than not I find myself on the defensive. That, by far, is the one reason that I try and keep it under a lid. <BR/><BR/>On the other hand, I'm not sure I should really "care" what others think. It's not their cup of tea and that's fine. I doubt that they expect me to hold the same amount of interest in cropping, stock car racing or horses... Well, at least I'd hope not.<BR/><BR/>One of the things that simply amazes me, on the topic of MMORPGs, is that it now has enough public momentum to both have a personage of such wild renown as Ozzy Osborne act as a TV spokesperson...AND to steamroll any of that nasty backlash that we saw in the 80's with DnD. Ah, if only DnD had the luxury of the internet at the time of its inception. But then maybe not...who knows?<BR/><BR/>Ah, the "childish pastime" adage, yeah, that one throws me for a loop. I've never understood the attraction of "growing up" and calcifying. It seems that you loose a good portion of that wonder that fuels the discovery. To paraphrase a line in the movie 'The Curious Case of Benjamin Button': "You're so young..", "Only on the outside." I would argue that it's exactly the opposite with us. ;-)<BR/><BR/>Happy Holidays!Gamer Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05006232842482959060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4727301007280965202.post-82481516439796644602008-12-29T09:33:00.000-05:002008-12-29T09:33:00.000-05:00Amen Mike. I know what you mean about guarding the...Amen Mike. I know what you mean about guarding the flame in secret. We Hidden Brethren of the Polyhedral tend our private gardens while the world of pop culture turns to auto-cannibalistic chaos around us.<BR/><BR/>A Happy and Prosperous New Year to you and yours.<BR/><BR/>PS: Ya know, 'Old Nameless' is a perfectly good name for a megadungeon in and of itself.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04072272223837426211noreply@blogger.com